"GreenN_Gold" (GreenN_Gold)
07/15/2016 at 19:00 • Filed to: None
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"GreenN_Gold" (GreenN_Gold)
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People are scrambling right now trying to figure out how to stop terrorists from using trucks to run people over. I’m reminded of the truck-stopping bollard that was posted on Jalopnik recently.
It dawned on me that autonomous cars would solve this problem. And a potential interim solution, as unappealing as it might sound, would be autonomous features that you can’t defeat. In other words, the vehicle will stop itself before it allows you to hit a crowd, or anything for that matter.
It could be limited to trucks and commercial vehicles and rentals I suppose, allowing personal cars to still be used as guided missiles.
djmt1
> GreenN_Gold
07/15/2016 at 19:08 |
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Wouldn’t your interim solution require every lorry on earth to be replaced?
LongbowMkII
> GreenN_Gold
07/15/2016 at 19:08 |
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An aside: The fact that truck makers aren't gloating about autonomous tech tells me how far it has to go.
Future next gen S2000 owner
> GreenN_Gold
07/15/2016 at 19:09 |
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I was thinking more along the lines of autonomous cars moving to get in the way of a person driving a vehicle. Sacrificing itself to save people. A wall of autonomous cars door to door between people and the crazy person.
But your way is probably better.
BvdV - The Dutch Engineer
> GreenN_Gold
07/15/2016 at 19:09 |
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I guess they could just implement pedestrian safety systems, like Volvo etc. have, on all vehicles, without a possibility to shut it off. In that way it should at least be harder to use vehicles as a weapon.
facw
> GreenN_Gold
07/15/2016 at 19:12 |
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It’s going to be a good time for bollard makers, that’s for sure.
Ultimately I think you’re right, we are going to see that even when not self driving, vehicles will use similar systems to prevent crashes under manual operation. That’s going to be the case regardless of terrorism fears. If the vehicle knows it is going to hit something, it will take action to avoid that.
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facw
> djmt1
07/15/2016 at 19:13 |
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Yeah it would, but that will still happen before every truck is replaced with a self-driving one (though maybe not much sooner).
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GreenN_Gold
> djmt1
07/15/2016 at 19:18 |
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Over time. There are no snap your finger solutions.
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GreenN_Gold
> LongbowMkII
07/15/2016 at 19:19 |
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I don’t disagree about full autonomy, but we already have the technology to force a vehicle to brake when it predicts impact. That’s all it would take.
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GreenN_Gold
> Future next gen S2000 owner
07/15/2016 at 19:20 |
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Or we could create Transformers to defend us!
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GreenN_Gold
> BvdV - The Dutch Engineer
07/15/2016 at 19:21 |
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Yes, that’s my line of thinking.
HammerheadFistpunch
> GreenN_Gold
07/15/2016 at 19:27 |
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I like the thinking but scope of equipping all deadly things with self defeats is enormous in comparison to taking mitigating action in susceptible areas. I.e. Auto bollards in city centres where these types of mass gathering are likely. They double as as traffic diversion tools or for blocking off for parades and such. The trouble with the vehicle approach is that it would be to way too easy defeat or engineer around with simple method (high tech car won’t run people over? Build a dead simple version with off the shelf parts)
CRider
> GreenN_Gold
07/15/2016 at 19:28 |
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Mustangs, uh, find a way.
Berang
> GreenN_Gold
07/15/2016 at 19:34 |
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For the most part, large crowds of people aren’t located where very large vehicles can get at them easily.
Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap
> GreenN_Gold
07/15/2016 at 19:39 |
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I wonder if Uhaul is going to make renting trucks harder.
petebmwm
> GreenN_Gold
07/15/2016 at 19:43 |
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Yep, just what the zombies would want...
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GreenN_Gold
> CRider
07/15/2016 at 19:48 |
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Haha, nice.
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GreenN_Gold
> Berang
07/15/2016 at 19:49 |
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But that doesn’t really matter if they are targeting the people they can get to.
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GreenN_Gold
> Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap
07/15/2016 at 19:50 |
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I wonder if they did after the OKC bombing.
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GreenN_Gold
> petebmwm
07/15/2016 at 19:50 |
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They’re running this show.
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Berang
> GreenN_Gold
07/15/2016 at 19:54 |
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No, it does matter.
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petebmwm
> GreenN_Gold
07/15/2016 at 20:23 |
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Theres no doubt in my mind, apparently though, instead if eating brains, theyre staring at their phones and catching pokemen...
Urambo Tauro
> GreenN_Gold
07/15/2016 at 21:31 |
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I don’t think it’s possible to make trucks (or guns or knives or hammers, or anything else, for that matter) terrorism-proof. Terrorists will always find (or make) tools to carry out their agendas.
I’ve heard it said that the best way to fight terrorism is through education. Honestly, I think that’s more about preventing terrorism than combating it. But I still like the idea of working at the societal level.
My bird IS the word
> GreenN_Gold
07/16/2016 at 02:24 |
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You can make dynamite and napalm at home. Not to mention pressure cooker bombs or chlorine gas. There is no way to stop mass killings. If anything, we are lucky these “terrorists” aren’t too bright. If isis was a well run organization it would be a bloodbath.
gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
> GreenN_Gold
07/16/2016 at 22:56 |
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or provide terrorist with a convienent way to deliver a car bomb.
also most cities have these all over the place.
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GreenN_Gold
> Berang
07/18/2016 at 12:34 |
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Since most other crowds are safe, targeted crowds should just deal with it. Got it.
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GreenN_Gold
> Urambo Tauro
07/18/2016 at 12:39 |
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“I don’t think it’s possible to make trucks (or guns or knives or hammers, or anything else, for that matter) terrorism-proof. Terrorists will always find (or make) tools to carry out their agendas.”
Surely not, but I don’t mind trying. I’m happy to make terrorists work harder. And it’s not intended as a partial solution at the expense of other solutions.
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GreenN_Gold
> My bird IS the word
07/18/2016 at 12:42 |
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I don’t see why the existence of napalm means we can’t make vehicles safer.
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Berang
> GreenN_Gold
07/18/2016 at 13:09 |
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That might be a problem - if those “targeted crowds” actually existed anywhere, most of the time.
I love your “we’ve got to find a way to stop this - but not the most obvious and effective way” logic.
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GreenN_Gold
> Berang
07/18/2016 at 13:31 |
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Turn on the news, a crowd in Nice was targeted with a rental truck.
“My way” is likely inevitable anyway, self-braking vehicles already exist, but I haven’t heard your “obvious and effective way” yet.
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My bird IS the word
> GreenN_Gold
07/18/2016 at 13:37 |
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I thought the point was to prevent terrorist attacks. I'm just saying it wouldn't, and that in combination with the difficulty commercial vehicles face (often have to back up at odd angles and off-road in order to load some things) makes manual operation a necessity. So instead of people trying to stop attacks, perhaps we should be trying to stop the source of the problem, Muslim extremism.
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Berang
> GreenN_Gold
07/18/2016 at 13:48 |
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The Nice incident happened on a road. Which is not where crowds of standing people are usually located. It really couldn’t have happened to the same degree anywhere else. Even if the guy drove into a park (presuming that would even be possible) it would have been nearly impossible to hit as many people.
I don’t know how the road was blocked off, if even it was, but whatever method they used wasn’t effective. But the fact that is was a road is still critical.
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GreenN_Gold
> My bird IS the word
07/18/2016 at 13:49 |
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I think the ubiquity of self-braking vehicles is inevitable anyway. It has already started.
I think everyone is all ears about stopping the source.
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GreenN_Gold
> Berang
07/18/2016 at 14:03 |
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I’m struggling to find your point in all of this. This doesn’t usually happen? It’s not usually that many people?
A truck could kill quite a number of people on any given day on the sidewalks of Manhattan.
Again, I think the ubiquity of self-braking technology is inevitable anyway.
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Berang
> GreenN_Gold
07/18/2016 at 14:08 |
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It may be, but it won’t do anything to stop a problem that only happened once in the history of human kind. Running a crowd of people over with trucks is difficult unless you just happen to have a large crowd standing
on a road.
That’s why they put bombs in them and park them somewhere. And automated brakes aren’t going to fix that.
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GreenN_Gold
> Berang
07/18/2016 at 14:19 |
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I’m happy forcing terrorists to make bombs if a rental truck alone can no longer be used as an effective weapon.